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Do you know who Jaleah Davis is?

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I have heard of Jaleah Davis. I didn't
actually know her.

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Do you know how Jaleah died?

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I know what everyone said happened.

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There was a suspicious car accident on
77 toward Marietta, I think.

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I know there's a lot of naysayers who
don't agree it was just an accident.

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I believe she was hit by her own vehicle
by somebody else and murdered.

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Do you think the investigation was
thorough?

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I'm sure that someone knows something
that they don't want to say, just to

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protect themselves.

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Mile Marker 181 is a true crime podcast
and may contain discussion of graphic or

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disturbing details.

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I'm your host, Emily.

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It's like this local lore, this
obsession.

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It goes through highs and lows, but it
always comes back around, and there's

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always somebody that wants to talk about
it.

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My covenant is with the truth.

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I mean, think about it.

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If it were you, wouldn't you want your
family to know the truth?

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And I'll admit, part of it's for my own
nosiness.

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I was never out to make money off of it.

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I just want to know everything.

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Why? I have to.

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That's my character flaw.

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I'm doing it. Okay, wait. Wi -Fi's up.
Let's see if it's going to work.

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Hi, Denise. I was in like a month ago
and had given a FOIA request to Chief

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Martin.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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Call failed.

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I'd be so annoyed if this, if I
literally can't make any of these calls.

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Tell us where we are.

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The middle of fucking nowhere.

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Hey, come on.

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Come inside.

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The coyotes don't get you.

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Harvey Nestor. Go.

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Go.

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This is my wall.

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These are everybody's timelines.

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They've got Katie, Freddie, Kristen.

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This is stuff that, like, I know is,
like, on deck to be covered.

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And then once I'm done with it, I just,
like, move it over here.

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I cut down the sound foam and made it
this thing, and then I set my mic up on

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its tripod and sit in the mic right
here, and I just kind of talk into the

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and it's like my own tiny little sound
studio.

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People think it's real glamorous or that
I'm in, like, a studio or something.

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I'm like, no.

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Before I had that, I recorded in the
closet.

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When you get down to, like, the order of
events for each individual, I mean, you

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can see what a clusterfuck this is.

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And that's a pretty organized way to put
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It's detail heavy and I get people like
a lot of people don't like the show for

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that reason, but like I can't change the
case.

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If you want to like do a deep dive and
actually do the investigative part of

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you've got to go and you've got to like
talk to people yourself.

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I'm about to hop on this.

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Hi, is this Camille Waldron?

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It is.

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Hi, this is Emily Nestor. I do the Mile
Marker 181 podcast about the Julia Davis

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case. But since you worked and you were
lead on that case, you know, I'd love

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to, if you're not willing to record, I
understand that, but I'd at least love

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have a conversation with you.

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Was this handled correctly?

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Absolutely not.

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It's time that somebody, like, do it
justice and have the balls to say, like,

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this is what I think happened.

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I read the case files and I was like,
murder, cover up, what the hell? That

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needs to be fucking handled.

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So why not me?

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Welcome to Mile Marker 181.

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I'm your host, Emily.

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I'll tell you a little bit about myself
later, but for now, let's just dive

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right in.

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This story starts in 2011 on the evening
of Friday, November the 18th. I could

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tell you a lot of things about Julia
Davis.

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I could tell you that just like me, she
just had her 20th birthday.

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But unfortunately, I have to tell you,
she never lived to see 21.

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People that I've had that are experts
that have looked at this said, you know,

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by all means, it's bizarre.

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It's a bizarre scene. Everybody agrees
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average traffic accident. It very much
looked like she was acting as a

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pedestrian out of her own vehicle.

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Based on injuries that she had, based on
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guardrail, normally her clothing is
either on you or on the roadway. It

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hang over a guardrail.

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This is what we're calling the original
point of impact right here.

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Bam, right there.

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We're essentially at what at least
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impact for Julia's vehicle.

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What they're saying happened is her
vehicle hit here.

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She was ejected. Her head hit the
guardrail post.

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And then her car reentered the roadway.
Her body was thrown nearly into the

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median. And then her car continued more
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So it perfectly came to rest against the
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In between, you've got blood spatter,
you've got brain matter, you've got

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you've got team.

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Her clothes were in a really suspicious
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over top.

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So what you're seeing with the whole
scene is just totally bizarre.

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The people involved that were with Julia
that night were Freddie Scott, Katie

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Nelson, and Kristen Bechtold.

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She left her house. She went over to
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nipping queue.

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until approximately 3 o 'clock, and then
that's when everybody's stories start

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to get slightly different.

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Julia had been dancing with the
boyfriend of Katie. They had had an

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admittedly, with her.

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There was a lot going on. There was some
tension.

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So it becomes a situation of, you know,
was there foul play?

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What's the theory? They pulled over?

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And they just got run over?

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The common, like, rumor?

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That they had pulled over, maybe gotten
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the car.

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Kristen got in the driver's seat.

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Julia was acting as a pedestrian, and
then Kristen came along and plowed her

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down. That's the rumor.

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90 % points to murder.

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From the blood patterns, from the
clothes, from acceleration marks in the

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roadway, to the way her body...

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was in relation to her car three -tenths
of a mile down. Everything about that

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scene was totally just like something
doesn't add up.

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And then you get into everybody's
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Kristen, before this, didn't have a good
reputation.

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Kristen, after this, has a much worse
reputation.

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I've had someone go so far as to say
that she's not kind to animals.

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Which, if you know anything about, you
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that's a pretty damning thing to have
somebody say about your past.

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I also had somebody actually say that
she's a bedwetter, too, which is also

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really damning.

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Who outed her as a bedwetter?

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I can't tell you that.

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You know I can't tell you that.

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That's somebody that came to me
privately that told me that. And I do

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on the phone, but they want to be left
anonymous.

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Kristen Bechtel would not talk to
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Even in high school, she was very
polarizing. She was very popular, but it

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seemed like everybody hated her.

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I remember that, and I've never spoken
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Party animal within the community, dad's
a doctor, privileged, at least for

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Appalachia.

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Spoiled. Who accuses Kristen of murder?

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Mostly Julia's family accuses her of
murder. Kim Davis.

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You're listening to Mile Marker 181.

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This episode will be the first time you
get to hear Julia's mother, Kim Davis,

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speak. I want to be perfectly clear. Kim
is the only reason I'm able to do this

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podcast. She obtained over 700 pages of
documents through the Freedom of

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Information Act.

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I got in contact with Kim about my
interest in her daughter's case.

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A week later, I had those same case
documents and photos in my hands.

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Anyways, enough from me. Here's Kim
speaking about the day she lost her

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child.

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The day that it happened, my dad had
gone to the scene. That it's

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not an accident. This was murder. And my
dad would never lie to me about that.

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That's the post that killed Julia.

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You're not driving your car, but somehow
on the right -hand side of the road,

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your head's hitting a post.

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No. It was on the Justice for Julia site
all over the community.

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She was definitely murdered. I'll tell
anybody

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that. She was definitely murdered.

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They killed her in one of the worst
ways.

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When you see the pictures of her laying
there, you'll say the same thing, too.

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Yeah. And I told Kim, I said, you cannot
trust that sheriff down there. You

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can't trust no cop.

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Do you carry your gun right now? Oh,
yeah.

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Right there. Yeah.

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Right there.

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I carry that.

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Why?

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Because on the count of the cops, you
know, it's all going well. All the

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wouldn't come off and folded up when the
dog got close.

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No.

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One cop alive for another.

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Why do you think it was covered up?

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Because Kristen Bechtel was the
granddaughter of Lee Bechtel, point

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Freddie Scott, his dad was a formal
police officer in Carterburg.

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Katie Nelson, her dad was a formal
police officer in Carterburg.

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That's why I feel it's covered up.

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Plus, he's got a lot of money.

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Kristen Bechtel's dad, he was rich.

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So I feel that, you know, there might
have been some money changes there.

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That's my feeling.

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I hope you get some closure on it.

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Oh, I do too. I hope before I die, I'm
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I hope I do.

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We're going to follow any
investigations.

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Yeah, she's really good.

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She's really good. I'm surprised Nancy
Grace didn't jump on the desk.

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I know.

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Before we begin this episode, I want to
remind you that in the Mid -Ohio Valley,

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nothing stays secret for very long.

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If you have information you think might
be valuable, please contact Kim through

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the Justice for Julia Facebook page or
myself through the Mile Marker 181 page.

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I wonder sometimes why Kim Davis did
trust me. Somebody else had approached

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about doing a podcast about this and she
turned them down.

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I just felt like I knew when I started,
I knew what I was capable of.

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And I know that I'm capable of telling
the truth.

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And I knew that, like, being local was
going to be very advantageous.

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That was an accidental I -77.

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So I just read out of curiosity.

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And you get out of the blog and you see
all these big comments, right?

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There was a kind of a curiosity. Okay,
what's going on?

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There was a podcast by a girl named
Emily.

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You know, getting that look from
different places and people wanting to

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was absolutely amazing.

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Basically, people want justice in the
area.

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I love Sherlock Holmes.

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I like just different crime shows,
different documentaries, putting two to

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together, looking at the smallest little
detail in evidence and cracking the

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case.

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Emily's show, Mile Marker 181, that's my
first podcast that I've ever followed

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for any reason.

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It's just crazy what they're trying to
say had happened. That car's not going

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go another quarter of a mile up the road
without a driver in it. I can't wrap my

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head around it.

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The only way you're going to get your
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to be run down by the vehicle.

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After looking at the body, yeah, I was
pretty much sure that it was a homicide.

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I didn't think it was no accident.

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One of the girls supposedly beat her up
and killed her on the interstate, or one

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of the guys, kind of at first I wondered
maybe if somebody hadn't.

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Threw her out of the car and was beating
her on something. The sheriff's

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department said that she went out of her
car and she hit the guardrail and she

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went over to the car.

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You know, I just don't think a body can
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That's too wild of a story for me.

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The family has a different opinion of
what the police said, and they've been

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trying to keep it alive.

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She was an African -American girl.
There's a lot of stigma, a lot of racism

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the area and everything.

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I just believe, you know, with a
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it would have been more investigated.

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People here don't have to be conspiracy
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of corruption.

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In Kim Davis's case, well, we have to
give a lot of leeway for mourning

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don't we? I mean, we just do.

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Hi there, it's me. Welcome back to Mile
Marker 181.

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I think it's time I tell you a little
about myself.

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I don't plan on doing this often.

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It's important I try not to insert my
own personal opinions into this story or

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tell you too much about myself besides
what's relevant.

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As for why I got into true crime, here's
the story.

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When I was 13, I was totally obsessed
with Silence of the Lambs.

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I grew up with true crime, but back then
we didn't call it true crime. It was

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Forensic Files and Dateline and John
Walsh.

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I wanted to be Clarice Starling. Closer,
please.

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Clarice Starling was from West Virginia.
She had a slight Appalachian accent.

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She was a great role model. You know,
she was one of the only honest

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and it was a strong female character.

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I was watching The Keepers. I was
watching Making a Murderer. Michelle

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McNamara's book, I'll Be Gone in the
Dark, came out. I devoured it, and I

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thought, this is the kind of deep dive
that I want to do.

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I mean, up until this year, I worked at
a doggy daycare, overlapped with waiting

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tables at Buffalo Wild Wings.

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Before Buffalo Wild Wings, I had
bartended at a strip club because I

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that would be a good idea.

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Turns out I didn't enjoy it as much as I
thought I would. But I do have good

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stories, which is the point, right?

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Now I'm a full -time podcaster, which is
still weird to say.

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Hi, Crime Junkies. Today's episode is a
gruesome one.

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I had gotten into podcasts, and the more
I got into it, the more it became an

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obsession. Welcome to My Favorite
Murder. Welcome to the Murder Squad.

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Nancy Grace here. Wine and Crime
contains graphic and explicit content

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not be suitable for some listeners.

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I've got two tattoos from the show
Dexter. I've got, like, a blood slide,

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I've got the hands from the ice truck
killer.

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We both have Richard Ramirez quotes. And
full disclosure, not because we're,

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like, love Richard Ramirez. No.

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And I'm adding into that leg, like, a
mom -style traditional tattoo with a

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dagger through it. But instead of mom on
the banner, it says true crime.

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Yeah, who's your favorite murderer?

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Israel Keyes.

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Favorite?

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My favorite murderer is Israel Keyes.

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I already talked to you about this.

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I'm her best friend. We wrestle back and
forth about it all the time, and she'll

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come back to me with new information and
be like, hey, listen to this. Like,

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this is why I think this happened or
didn't happen now, and let's hash it

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I love it.

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She doesn't have any training
whatsoever.

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I don't know that that's a good thing.
Well, no.

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No, but seriously, she doesn't have any
audio -visual training. She doesn't have

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any recording, anything like that. She
didn't go to school for journalism. She

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doesn't have any background in forensics
or crime or anything or being

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in the public eye at all. And she just
decided, hey, this is an opportunity

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where I can try to teach myself
something. And then she did it, and then

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help somebody.

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And then out of her own curiosity, and
she just made it happen.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Kind of like your life.

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And I'm living it, man. I didn't say you
weren't.

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I mean, I realized through the process
of this all that I have a voice.

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And people will listen.

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And if you use that voice for the right
things, you can...

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You can change a lot of things.

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Harvey.

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Harvey, you should run for sheriff.

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I'd vote for him.

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You want to be sheriff?

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I'm not joking when I say he's like my
true crime buddy.

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Oh, he's so good.

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He's so pure.

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You're never going to do anything wrong.

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You're too good.

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Except poop in the house.

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You know, just from Kim posting about it
on the Justice for Julia page, I got a

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lot of, like, traction that way.

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Because anybody who, like, follows that
case is obviously going to listen to

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anything that comes out about it.

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Okay, so, like, the Marietta Times had,
like, two episodes out when they reached

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out to me, and they were like, oh, we
want to run a story on it. And I was

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cool, when can I, like, expect it to be
out? You know, we'd set up a call. She

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interviewed me for, like, 30 minutes on
the phone.

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She's like, oh, it'll be front page
tomorrow. I was like...

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Okay, must be a slow news week.

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It's pressure.

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It's just like this, like, the more
attention you get for it, the more,

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accountable you have to be for what
you're putting out.

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Like, if nobody's paying attention, it
doesn't matter if it sucks.

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There's my bra strap showing. I've been
working on that the whole time.

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When anything has happened major in West
Virginia, and you see it on the

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national news, they do not portray us in
a good light because not everybody in

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West Virginia has no teeth or can't make
a full sentence.

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People do wear shoes here.

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Give me a wave.

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Or this way.

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Emily kind of had the calling, I guess.

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But because she didn't go to college,
she just assumed, you know, I can't be a

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profiler, which is what she kind of
wanted to do, so I'll just go do this.

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actually, you can solve some crime
without a degree, with enough know -how

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enough gumption.

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I wasn't familiar with what a podcast
was.

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I was happy for her, but it didn't mean
a whole lot to me. I'm like, okay, have

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fun. Do what you want to do.

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Do what makes you happy. So I really
didn't understand what that meant.

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But it really snowballed.

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It, you know, from a snowflake to a
great big hill of snow. So

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it just has taken off in several
different directions. It's not just one

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It's multiple avenues.

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Hi there.

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CrimeCon is coming up quickly, and
MileMarker181 will be there on podcast

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If you are not familiar with CrimeCon,
it's basically the Super Bowl of true

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crime.

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CrimeCon is like Comic -Con. You've got
everybody involved with Golden State

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Killer. You've got Nancy Grace. You've
got Dateline. Like, it's some wild shit.

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Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
Paul Hull.

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Host of The DNA of Murder.

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How are you guys having fun here at
CrimeCon?

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Anytime I walk into a scene and I see
something that is contradictory, that's

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where I have to step back and go, okay,
I need to look at that more closely.

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Well, let me tell you, anytime is the
right time to do the right thing. And if

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you fail, you'll remember it the rest of
your life.

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Okay, so here I am.

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This is Billy Jensen's podcast.

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So they've got me in good real estate.
I'm fine with it.

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It's exciting.

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Like, it feels good, but I'm like my own
worst enemy. You know what I mean? I

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am.

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I self -sabotage.

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What do you want to accomplish here at
CrimeCon?

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Well, honestly, I want to see my
listeners shoot up.

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It's about me exploring more
opportunity.

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To all the podcasters that are out
there, you're here to have fun. You're

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to learn.

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But also just be mindful these are real
cases involving real people. Be

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respectful with your questioning.

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Part of getting a case out has to also
be entertaining because I've heard

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podcasts that aren't entertaining and
they're very fact -driven. And guess

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People don't talk about the case
actively. If you're going to use it to

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bring exposure, I think a little bit of
entertainment factor helps you.

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You have a single blow to the back of
the head.

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I feel like the true crime community is
a really good place, like when you're in

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the right corner of it.

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Now, was there a heavy amount of blood
in her ear here? Because there are

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that are just opportunists that just
want to make like a buck off of it.

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And they don't care about the people
behind the stories.

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But more good than bad.

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I think that's hard to find in other
genres of, like, entertainment.

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These are podcasters. They can't be
trusted.

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I wouldn't call me to get me out of
jail.

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I'm not sure if you're aware, but I
don't make money doing this podcast. I

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consciously chose not to run paid ads.

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Something about the idea of making money
off of this felt weird.

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Thank you so much. Thank you.

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Suspicious set of circumstances.

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It's just kind of a lot of unanswered
questions. And it's from my hometown.

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So, Parkersburg, West Virginia.

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I would love you to come on a podcast
and talk about your show. Sure. And why

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you care about it. Hold on.

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Do you have videos?

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I do, yeah.

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There you go. Thank you.

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What? What?

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At CrimeCon, I'd met everybody that I
was meant to meet to make this happen.

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Hey there, I'm Stephanie Gamolka. I'm
joined with the mind behind Mile Marker

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181 podcaster Emily Nestor. Thank you so
much for joining us. Thank you for

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having me. The case was ultimately ruled
accidental, but a lot of people think

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that there was foul play. The last
person that was with Julia was the

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granddaughter of our former sheriff, and
the sheriff's department is the

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investigating agency in Julia Davis'
death.

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Got it.

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Everybody was acting on emotion or what
was best for them.

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I don't think anybody in the whole
thing, genuinely,

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fully had Julia's story

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and her life in mind.

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Do you?

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Do I have her life in mind?

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I hope.

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I try really hard.

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This week, I'm angry. I'm angry because
no matter how many small dots I feel

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like I connect or Kim has long ago
connected, no one is listening.

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I'm not talking about you. You're
listening. But is the law listening?

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My name is Emily.

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I'm your host.

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And this week, I'm angry.

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There's a study that shows that
waitresses that wear red lipstick make

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tips.

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And that's kind of the philosophy I've
adapted.

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This is my little setup here that I
travel with, my one little.

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Yeah.

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$400 piece of equipment there, though.

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All right.

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So what stood out to you the most about
this case in particular?

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Well, the fact.

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that the driver was ejected out of the
car, and then it was a sad scenario

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she was hit by passing semi -trucks.

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Do you think it's a possibility that
things at the scene were moved, in

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particular the clothing, perhaps even by
law enforcement?

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I don't think it's fair for me to answer
that question.

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But I guess what I'm trying to wrap my
brain around is, in your opinion, you do

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agree with the conclusion that it was an
accident.

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Yes, I do.

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Okay. And if this is going to continue
in this direction, I'm not going to have

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any further conversation because you're
asking me to second guess investigation

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of what they've done at the time. And I
do not feel that that's fair to be doing

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that, nor do I want to sit here and
debate.

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I think that's pretty much it as far as
that goes, because

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there were some more like heavy hitter
questions there, but we'll skip those.

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Well, thank you, because I know some of
that stuff. That's like the questions I

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have to ask. You know what I mean? I
have to play devil's advocate, but I

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totally respect you not wanting to
answer them.

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I understand, but I thought you knew me
better than that.

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What? Oh, I'm not even.

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Hey, I have to dig and see what I can
get. You know what I mean?

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Can you blame me?

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I'm sorry, but I'm considerate.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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So are we done?

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I believe so, yeah. I think so, yeah.

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I don't know what you're doing.

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I'm highly

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disappointed in her.

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It sucks because I feel like I'm just
working for the truth. And, like, the

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truth is really ugly.

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And I understand you don't want to throw
people, like, under the bus.

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But that's kind of bullshit.

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Because if those people fucked up that
investigation, then that's the reason

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there's never any justice brought up.
This one fucking person, that is such

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bullshit. And that's such a bad excuse.

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Like, that's such a bad excuse.

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You've got to be able to, like, have
some balls and say,

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Like, these people could have possibly
messed this up.

465
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:20,770
These people could have possibly, and I
didn't even ask him the worst question

466
00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:21,770
of all.

467
00:30:22,450 --> 00:30:26,030
I said, do you think it's possible that
Kristen Bechtold, like, wiggled her way

468
00:30:26,030 --> 00:30:29,230
out of an involuntary manslaughter
charge because her grandpa used to be

469
00:30:29,230 --> 00:30:30,230
sheriff?

470
00:30:33,330 --> 00:30:37,890
That was more like, I hate being
misunderstood. Like, it's one of my

471
00:30:37,890 --> 00:30:41,270
favorite things. I feel like I'm, like,
chronically misunderstood.

472
00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:48,310
It just sucks, like, when somebody
takes, like, offense to something that

473
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:49,750
actually had good intentions with.

474
00:30:51,090 --> 00:30:53,330
This is my job. Like, that's my job.

475
00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:57,270
But people don't take it serious because
I'm working for myself.

476
00:30:58,350 --> 00:31:01,490
Like, I'm not working for a paper. I'm
not working for, like, a news source.

477
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:07,210
And, like, it's funny because I don't
belong with the journalist and I don't

478
00:31:07,210 --> 00:31:10,050
belong with law enforcement and I feel
like I'm floating somewhere in between.

479
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,500
People don't like assertive women.

480
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,520
There is a monologue from Silence of the
Lambs that I could almost recite.

481
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,340
I can't read it. I'm going to be
emotional over it.

482
00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:43,250
I hate being vulnerable and I hate
being... I know.

483
00:31:43,470 --> 00:31:46,770
I'm fine with being, like, on camera
because I can ignore it, but, like,

484
00:31:46,770 --> 00:31:48,410
vulnerable in front of one person is
hard.

485
00:31:48,670 --> 00:31:49,670
It's not even the camera.

486
00:31:50,190 --> 00:31:51,850
It's, like, the three people in the
room.

487
00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:54,130
Okay. They don't exist.

488
00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:56,430
Oh, yeah, that's true. Just read it to
me. Okay.

489
00:31:56,970 --> 00:32:00,010
You know what you look like to me with
your good bag and your cheap shoes.

490
00:32:00,790 --> 00:32:03,290
Like, that's such a good, like... Yeah.
Yeah.

491
00:32:03,650 --> 00:32:05,530
Like, a good, like, backhanded
compliment.

492
00:32:07,330 --> 00:32:10,850
You look like a rube, a well -scrubbed,
hustling rube with a little taste.

493
00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:14,430
Good nutrition has given you some length
of bone, but you're not more than one

494
00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:16,070
generation from poor white trash.

495
00:32:17,530 --> 00:32:21,330
Are you Agent Starling and that accent
you're trying so desperately to shed?

496
00:32:21,490 --> 00:32:22,590
Pure West Virginia.

497
00:32:23,170 --> 00:32:26,930
And oh, how quickly the boys found you,
all those tedious, sticky fumblings in

498
00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:30,150
the back seats of cars, while you could
only dream of getting out, getting

499
00:32:30,150 --> 00:32:32,370
anywhere, getting all the way to the
FBI.

500
00:32:33,890 --> 00:32:34,890
That's fucking epic.

501
00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:38,810
You know what I mean? Like, that's way
too close to home.

502
00:32:40,050 --> 00:32:41,710
Yeah, but what did it make you think?

503
00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:47,830
Fucking, like, be brave and fucking tell
the truth, even when it sucks balls.

504
00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:51,550
Yeah.

505
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:56,310
It's so amazing that she's been doing
this for such a short period of time.

506
00:32:57,350 --> 00:33:00,810
It's fascinating how podcasting has
become like this.

507
00:33:02,370 --> 00:33:04,370
I'm not trying to imply anyone can do
it.

508
00:33:04,890 --> 00:33:09,490
But if you're really good, it doesn't
take much of an investment, and you can

509
00:33:09,490 --> 00:33:10,490
launch.

510
00:33:11,050 --> 00:33:13,570
And Emily is a really good example of
that.

511
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:18,890
If you don't know what the rules are, I
mean, it's wide open. You can do

512
00:33:18,890 --> 00:33:19,890
whatever you want.

513
00:33:20,930 --> 00:33:26,450
Journalists are bound by rules. If you
worked for a newspaper, you really can't

514
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:30,970
just spend time with a police officer
and kind of find out how things are.

515
00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:33,930
That would be totally against the rule.

516
00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:40,550
Hello everyone and welcome to our latest
episode of The Trail Went Cold. I'm

517
00:33:40,550 --> 00:33:46,350
here with a host of Mile Marker 181 and
this accident makes no sense whatsoever.

518
00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:50,870
I do these cases all the time on my
podcast where they're cold cases and you

519
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:54,570
can't come up with a logical solution
which makes 100 % complete sense.

520
00:33:54,890 --> 00:33:58,870
And I think this one qualifies because
even if she legitimately died in an

521
00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:00,550
accident, you at least want to know the
truth.

522
00:34:00,890 --> 00:34:04,190
If they're saying that it's an accident,
we're missing some teeth.

523
00:34:04,510 --> 00:34:05,510
Yeah, exactly.

524
00:34:06,190 --> 00:34:09,710
Yeah, there's a missing piece there.
Well, you never know with podcasts. They

525
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:12,210
sometimes get these cases reopened and
solved, so.

526
00:34:12,489 --> 00:34:13,489
Yeah.

527
00:34:13,690 --> 00:34:15,150
Knock on wood. Yeah.

528
00:34:18,429 --> 00:34:22,370
So my mom and I are going to drive
Kristen's alibi drive.

529
00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:26,370
I guess technically it's really more
Freddy's. So the route that Freddy Scott

530
00:34:26,370 --> 00:34:30,050
said that they took from dropping Julia
off to the McDonald's drive -thru.

531
00:34:32,650 --> 00:34:35,150
Freddy and Katie Nelson both say that
they.

532
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:40,440
go to mcdonald's and they each name a
route kristen you know she says they get

533
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,460
mcdonald's but she's like oh i don't
remember how we got there like she

534
00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:47,360
even remember what car they're in i
don't buy either of the stories on

535
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,780
part i just don't buy it so we're gonna
start this timer at 3 27 a .m it's a

536
00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:56,820
friday night it's the same day of the
week and it's the same time of day

537
00:34:56,820 --> 00:35:03,200
so how are you waving it oh

538
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:05,750
You're also on camera.

539
00:35:07,450 --> 00:35:08,890
This is going in a documentary.

540
00:35:10,990 --> 00:35:14,730
Freddy is kind of the wild card of this
thing. Like, you can't really figure out

541
00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:18,610
how he fits into the whole scenario, but
he could know more than he's telling.

542
00:35:19,170 --> 00:35:22,890
Absolutely. Oh, can we trust him at all
is even my kind of question.

543
00:35:24,010 --> 00:35:28,110
Kristen, Freddy, there were pictures of
them caught on the video cameras at the

544
00:35:28,110 --> 00:35:30,230
McDonald's before they went all the way
to the highway.

545
00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:34,210
They were kind of, you know, you can't
touch me, that kind of thing.

546
00:35:34,690 --> 00:35:35,690
Kristen's rich.

547
00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:40,590
She has a lot of money. And Freddie, you
know, his father was in law enforcement

548
00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:44,210
and everything like that. So basically
they were acting like they were

549
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:45,210
untouchable.

550
00:35:46,350 --> 00:35:51,950
Freddie's story is that he, Kristen, and
Katie took 7th Street to McDonald's. At

551
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:55,470
3 .32, Freddie leaves the McDonald's
drive -thru with two passengers.

552
00:35:58,190 --> 00:36:02,550
So, I mean, his route actually makes no
sense out of anybody's, which makes

553
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:06,450
sense to me because we know Freddie
Scott went to McDonald's. His face was

554
00:36:06,450 --> 00:36:07,450
the video.

555
00:36:08,190 --> 00:36:11,790
So we are pulling back into the
McDonald's drive -thru and ending our

556
00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:18,570
experiment. And it is 3 .34, and it took
us approximately 7 minutes, 10 seconds

557
00:36:18,570 --> 00:36:22,650
to conduct this experiment. But look.

558
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,120
It's still not accurate to what they're
saying.

559
00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:30,820
Either that timestamp is wrong, which is
possible, or something's, like, wildly

560
00:36:30,820 --> 00:36:31,638
off here.

561
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,960
Because, you know, we pulled in, like I
said, 333, 334. They were already

562
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,720
leaving the drive -thru by 332.

563
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,320
Something in our data, like in this
case, is wrong.

564
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,220
Whether it's cell tower data, the
timestamp of the McDonald's video

565
00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:49,680
someone is telling a massive lie.

566
00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:53,480
I just don't see them getting to the 181
in time for murder.

567
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:59,800
The weirdest part of the accident scene
were Jaleah's clothes, which were found

568
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,960
off her body and neatly folded up onto
the guardrail.

569
00:37:03,580 --> 00:37:07,480
So I'm trying to see it from the other
perspective. Like, theoretically, if

570
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,760
there was foul play and someone else was
responsible for her death, why would

571
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,700
they take her clothing and neatly fold
it up and place it on the guardrail? Is

572
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:17,360
there any logical reason for that?

573
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,820
I don't think that there is. Okay.

574
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:33,020
One important detail that I do want to
discuss is glass at the scene.

575
00:37:35,580 --> 00:37:40,960
The witness said that when he was
walking around the scene, he never saw

576
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:46,580
broken glass that should have come from
her passenger side window if she was

577
00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:47,580
ejected from it.

578
00:37:48,060 --> 00:37:52,820
Just as I crested over the hill, I seen
another trucker along the guardrail with

579
00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:54,200
a vehicle down in front of it.

580
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,600
All I could tell was a pair of blue
jeans laying in the road.

581
00:37:59,860 --> 00:38:02,520
My truck just thumped, thumped, thumped
across the top of it.

582
00:38:02,740 --> 00:38:07,140
And my ability just pulled off the road.

583
00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:11,140
You know, you were there for a while. Do
you ever remember seeing any glass

584
00:38:11,140 --> 00:38:12,140
anywhere?

585
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,380
No. Because if she had been ejected out
that window, there would have been

586
00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:17,600
glass. Right.

587
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,080
Okay.

588
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:26,200
So, Julia's passenger side window,
investigators say it was busted out. The

589
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,500
Davis family thinks that maybe something
else occurred there because of the way

590
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:33,340
that the glass was thrown all the way up
under her driver's side, under the gas

591
00:38:33,340 --> 00:38:34,340
and brake.

592
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,200
So, I'm going to bust this, and then I'm
going to test the visibility of the

593
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,280
glass in an environment where it's
totally dark.

594
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,780
Oh, it's tough.

595
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,340
I might not be able to get it.

596
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,180
Well, that was satisfying.

597
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,460
Like, that felt really good.

598
00:38:50,540 --> 00:38:53,700
You see the way that all this is
breaking up. It's almost like crystals.

599
00:38:54,060 --> 00:39:00,220
So tell me how you go out a window and
not have glass in your scalp, your hair,

600
00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:01,340
nothing.

601
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,980
I am walking from a far distance to kind
of see at what point.

602
00:39:07,450 --> 00:39:11,530
this pile of glass becomes recognizable
as a pile of glass. You know, is it

603
00:39:11,530 --> 00:39:15,170
significant that the first witness said,
oh, I saw no glass at that scene, but

604
00:39:15,170 --> 00:39:18,250
he would have never been close enough to
identify the glass as glass.

605
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:22,370
So him saying, oh, I didn't see glass,
and that's mysterious, that's not

606
00:39:22,370 --> 00:39:23,370
meaningful.

607
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:25,570
Like, what the hell?

608
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:28,270
What are you doing now?

609
00:39:29,070 --> 00:39:32,150
I'm just getting some stuff for, like,
my social media and for, like, science

610
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:33,150
things.

611
00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:38,350
I've seen this happen with some people
who have reached out to podcasters and

612
00:39:38,350 --> 00:39:42,030
tried to make their relative's death
look like foul play, but then the

613
00:39:42,030 --> 00:39:43,830
shows it was an accident.

614
00:39:44,410 --> 00:39:45,830
Oh, wow. That's interesting.

615
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:53,230
So I guess the final question is, are
there any extra steps that can be taken

616
00:39:53,230 --> 00:39:55,170
help solve this case?

617
00:39:55,390 --> 00:40:00,350
Any other outside agencies who might be
willing to look at it if the local law

618
00:40:00,350 --> 00:40:01,350
enforcement doesn't?

619
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:07,800
The best way to, quote, solve it or put
the issue to rest is to just hire

620
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,060
experts at this point.

621
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,880
Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

622
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,860
This is only my second time looking at a
microphone, and I'm madly in love with

623
00:40:24,860 --> 00:40:27,700
it. Like, I've already looked up how
much it is to, like, own a microphone

624
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:28,700
machine.

625
00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:31,950
um i'd rather buy that than a tv like
right now like this is way more

626
00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:35,450
entertaining to me than anything on
television except maybe like mine hunter

627
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:41,790
found something that pertains to the
davis family

628
00:40:41,790 --> 00:40:43,630
from december of 1986.

629
00:40:44,350 --> 00:40:50,910
it was an article about julia's
grandfather and his brother two

630
00:40:50,910 --> 00:40:53,170
brothers again alleged police harassment

631
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,840
They name Julia's grandpa, Roger, and
his brother.

632
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,060
There's a pathology behind that family's
history with radical claims of

633
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:04,220
disagreement with law enforcement.

634
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:11,120
It's like somebody reached out and was
like, take this information and run with

635
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:17,680
it. But it's just so wild. So Julia's
grandfather, the one that said this is a

636
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,880
murder and they're covering it up, has
had a running history of...

637
00:41:23,879 --> 00:41:26,180
and issues with law enforcement.

638
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:30,760
But I'm not finding that this is murder.
I'm finding that this is an accident.

639
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:37,960
Like, in this story, you can't trust
anybody to give you the full truth

640
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,140
everybody's trying to cover their own
ass in some manner.

641
00:41:52,170 --> 00:41:54,890
I'm going to record so I have this audio
for the later episode.

642
00:41:57,250 --> 00:41:59,310
I am here with Paul Holes.

643
00:41:59,610 --> 00:42:03,890
He is a DNA expert who solved the Golden
State Killer case.

644
00:42:04,530 --> 00:42:09,170
We met at CrimeCon. What was your first
impression on this case when I sent you

645
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:10,009
those files?

646
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:14,050
My initial assessment when I took a look
at this case is this vehicle did not

647
00:42:14,050 --> 00:42:17,890
strike a pedestrian that was standing in
front of it. There is no damage to the

648
00:42:17,890 --> 00:42:19,410
front end of this car, to the hood.

649
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,740
to indicate that this car struck
anything head -on.

650
00:42:23,980 --> 00:42:28,940
Shalia is in this vehicle when it
strikes the guardrail. She has a

651
00:42:28,940 --> 00:42:30,420
amount of alcohol in her system.

652
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,640
Yes.

653
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,500
The damage is along the right side of
the car. So if somebody's inside this

654
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:42,020
vehicle without a seatbelt, they will be
flung both forward and to the right at

655
00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:44,800
the same time, out of the passenger
window.

656
00:42:45,370 --> 00:42:50,610
So as her head and upper body is hitting
the guardrail, she's going to be flung

657
00:42:50,610 --> 00:42:54,670
up onto the trunk of the car, into the
middle of the street. And then the car,

658
00:42:54,670 --> 00:42:59,210
because of the flat tires on the
passenger side, is going to end up

659
00:42:59,210 --> 00:43:02,390
the right, back over onto the right side
of the road again, when it will

660
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:03,510
eventually come to rest.

661
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:07,910
And then unfortunately, in this case,
after she rolls off the trunk and is in

662
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:10,250
the middle of the road, that's when she
gets hit by another vehicle.

663
00:43:11,890 --> 00:43:13,430
People who follow this case.

664
00:43:14,010 --> 00:43:17,930
In general, we all have issues with the
clothing. That's like the number one

665
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:22,530
thing. When you start talking about the
clothing, where now her body is being

666
00:43:22,530 --> 00:43:28,490
pulled along a guardrail and her
clothing is going to catch on different

667
00:43:28,590 --> 00:43:33,390
that is not surprising at all to see a
jacket coming off the body.

668
00:43:33,790 --> 00:43:40,010
Yeah. So if she's being ejected out of
that window and the glass is cracking, I

669
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:44,510
mean... Realistically, is it possible
she doesn't have any glass particles in

670
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:46,250
her hair, in her skin?

671
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:51,750
That tempered glass on the passenger
side could easily have been fractured as

672
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:57,030
result of the impact of the vehicle.
It's already in the process of dicing up

673
00:43:57,030 --> 00:44:01,610
and falling. So by the time her body
impacts the windshield, well, the

674
00:44:01,610 --> 00:44:04,910
glass in the front passenger window is
already gone.

675
00:44:05,890 --> 00:44:08,170
She's going through an empty window.

676
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:15,020
So in my opinion, I don't think the
absence of glass in Julia's hair or in

677
00:44:15,020 --> 00:44:17,380
clothing or anything is significant at
all.

678
00:44:17,740 --> 00:44:24,000
It's just when you do have circumstances
that are suspicious, it's fodder to

679
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:29,640
start going down different type of
rabbit holes that really don't have

680
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,660
to do with the facts.

681
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,420
Report the facts.

682
00:44:32,740 --> 00:44:36,080
And not circumstantial. Yes. Yeah. Yes.

683
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:05,198
Cut the cards, Emily.

684
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,260
What's your first question?

685
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:08,880
Am I on the right path regarding my
career? Cut.

686
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,580
There's not very much information here.

687
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:25,420
The universe is not able to connect,
even though I know there are angels that

688
00:45:25,420 --> 00:45:27,620
are trying to connect with you, but they
say you don't listen.

689
00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:29,920
Don't worry about your success.

690
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:31,880
That's not the issue.

691
00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:34,060
You're not listening to your angels.

692
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:40,500
The career you choose is supposed to
benefit others, but your talkativeness

693
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:41,500
going to bring you harm.

694
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,200
Use it to your advantage.

695
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,260
Remember this, Emily. Your words have
power. They're like a vehicle.

696
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,540
They can go forward, backward, or run
amok.

697
00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:53,220
Watch what you recycle.

698
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:23,470
So it's turned into kind of a monster
that I didn't know that it was going to

699
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:24,470
become. Yeah.

700
00:46:24,670 --> 00:46:28,890
It's been an interesting learning
experience as far as kind of I haven't

701
00:46:28,890 --> 00:46:33,730
trained in this formally by any means.
And podcasting is so relatively new as

702
00:46:33,730 --> 00:46:35,770
far as a medium for journalism.

703
00:46:36,010 --> 00:46:40,830
Yeah, it is. And I think traditionally
trained journalists sometimes get a

704
00:46:40,830 --> 00:46:44,350
little annoyed when people like me and
you, you know, are kind of having some.

705
00:46:44,670 --> 00:46:49,430
success in this digital journalism. But
true crime fans, I imagine, are loving

706
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:51,570
it. I was binging all weekend.

707
00:46:51,850 --> 00:46:55,310
What are your plans? Where is this
going? What's the end game here?

708
00:46:58,890 --> 00:47:03,750
So as far as this project goes, I want
to see it through. I want answers. I

709
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:04,750
to know what the truth is.

710
00:47:05,110 --> 00:47:08,170
If it was murder, someone should be held
accountable.

711
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:13,090
Looking at that scene, even just as a
normal civilian, you look at that and

712
00:47:13,090 --> 00:47:16,570
you're like, how in the world did this
happen?

713
00:47:17,410 --> 00:47:18,890
the way that they're claiming.

714
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:25,450
Yeah, it's very confusing. And I'm
wondering if Freddie and the crew there

715
00:47:25,450 --> 00:47:29,430
to McDonald's to establish an alibi or
whether or not they just happened to be

716
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:34,330
there and those people in that car did
not kill Jaleah. Right. Yeah, I mean,

717
00:47:34,350 --> 00:47:36,770
there's a lot of gray area here. Okay.

718
00:47:37,150 --> 00:47:39,050
It is compelling, though. It is
compelling.

719
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:43,010
Yeah, it really is. It's pretty shady.

720
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:44,250
Oh, yeah.

721
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:52,110
Is it hard trying to talk about it as a
murder when you think it was an

722
00:47:52,110 --> 00:47:53,110
accident?

723
00:47:56,390 --> 00:48:00,750
I just realized you're doing that during
it and I was like, oh, you were like,

724
00:48:00,750 --> 00:48:04,730
had to click into a mode that is like
dangerous territory.

725
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:10,070
Like where I need to cover my own ass?

726
00:48:11,530 --> 00:48:12,750
As far as a storyteller?

727
00:48:13,250 --> 00:48:15,550
Yeah. It's a skill I'm learning.

728
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:20,200
I just have to ignore everything that
I've learned along the way and act like

729
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,300
I'm investigating it actively.

730
00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:26,120
I mean, I still am. Like, I'm not closed
-minded.

731
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:30,060
Like, somebody can prove to me that it
was a murder. Like, I'm open to that.

732
00:48:30,060 --> 00:48:33,880
it's hard to prove a murder when it
wasn't one.

733
00:48:35,340 --> 00:48:36,340
Is that what you're trying to do?

734
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:42,920
Is it really all?

735
00:48:43,210 --> 00:48:49,070
about finding the truth on this or is
there some kind of i mean i'm guilty on

736
00:48:49,070 --> 00:48:53,390
this myself for being here is there some
kind of personal gain that's involved

737
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:57,950
with that and what is the ethics of that
your ethics or my ethics

738
00:48:57,950 --> 00:49:04,830
well you're telling a story about what
i'm trying to do and what i'm trying to

739
00:49:04,830 --> 00:49:10,110
tell a story about within that story is
something that i've been in deep for

740
00:49:10,110 --> 00:49:13,400
over a year now I just hope we're doing
it for the right reason.

741
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:26,280
Welcome back to Mile Marker 181. I'm
your host, Emily. Thanks for joining me

742
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,280
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743
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747
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first time I read this statement, my jaw
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748
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752
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Spoiler alert. This doesn't end where
you hope it will.

753
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,460
I don't want to lead a massive witch
hunt. I'm just stating the facts as they

754
00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:16,500
are. I can't help that they appear to be
suspicious to the average person.

755
00:50:16,580 --> 00:50:21,000
That's right. The Chris that Jaleah had
been flirting and texting with is the

756
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,260
same Chris that dated Katie Nelson.

757
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:27,380
I'm not sure what the term I'm looking
for is, but the best that comes to mind

758
00:50:27,380 --> 00:50:29,520
immediately is love triangle.

759
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,640
The podcast hit 20 on iTunes, like on
all of iTunes, not just like the genre.

760
00:50:35,220 --> 00:50:38,120
Vulture and then BuzzFeed.

761
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:39,640
Featured it on a list.

762
00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:43,340
I'm almost to 2 million overall
downloads now.

763
00:50:43,740 --> 00:50:45,180
That's pretty fucking crazy.

764
00:50:45,660 --> 00:50:49,200
Marker? I'm excited about things that
are happening behind the scenes.

765
00:50:49,540 --> 00:50:50,439
Action, Emily.

766
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,320
Yes, there is a documentary that is
currently in production, and one day

767
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,320
get to see the outcome.

768
00:50:57,180 --> 00:50:58,560
I'm sorry, just do it one more time.

769
00:50:59,380 --> 00:51:01,320
My Instagram's kind of blowing up right
now.

770
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:06,350
If you wanted to grab a mile marker 181
or Justice for Julia shirt or hoodie,

771
00:51:06,490 --> 00:51:09,430
you'll be able to order those until the
31st of this month.

772
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,900
I've worked with Warby Parker, so, like,
I get a free pair of glasses. I just

773
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:15,000
need to go get my eyes checked.

774
00:51:15,260 --> 00:51:19,060
An Away suitcase, which I really wanted
one of those for a long time, so I was

775
00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:20,680
so pumped when they sponsored the show.

776
00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:25,660
When I started the show, I told Kim that
it would be possible that advertisers

777
00:51:25,660 --> 00:51:29,380
would jump on later and that I wasn't,
like, really opposed to it. But then,

778
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:34,960
like, the more I got into it, the more,
like, sleazy that it felt to make money

779
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,260
off of essentially somebody's death.

780
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,220
And then it came to the point where,
like, The podcast was just becoming,

781
00:51:42,220 --> 00:51:44,340
too much to do, like, in my spare time.

782
00:51:44,660 --> 00:51:46,540
Like, it got serious pretty quickly.

783
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:53,340
So when the network reached out and
wanted to do, like, advertisements, I

784
00:51:53,340 --> 00:51:54,480
said yes.

785
00:51:55,660 --> 00:52:02,260
What Kim's saying is I'm only out for
profit and all of this just insane

786
00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:05,060
She thinks she's being exploited now.

787
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,640
If you're going to go with that and roll
with that and accuse me of exploiting

788
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,440
somebody, then every single piece of
journalism is exploitation.

789
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,220
Like, somebody is the feature of the
story.

790
00:52:15,980 --> 00:52:19,580
I've known that I'm a polarizing
character and I'm not everybody's cup of

791
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,100
but I just kind of have to lean into
that and own it.

792
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,280
Like, that's what Nancy Grace does.

793
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:25,520
She's doing all right.

794
00:52:47,420 --> 00:52:54,340
what are you doing filming what are you
doing are you drunk

795
00:52:54,340 --> 00:52:55,340
too

796
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,840
You keep the same when you are the same
thing.

797
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,020
Now what's right is right, and you ain't
been right yet.

798
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:21,200
We'll need food to make the longest.

799
00:53:21,940 --> 00:53:23,860
That's just one day to lose.

800
00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:26,780
One day to die.

801
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,940
All right, how about a round of applause
for Emily?

802
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:50,140
All

803
00:53:50,140 --> 00:53:57,840
right,

804
00:53:57,860 --> 00:54:00,060
and a little more.

805
00:54:00,780 --> 00:54:01,780
And you're good.

806
00:54:03,740 --> 00:54:04,840
How's that? Yeah.

807
00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:11,140
I really, I still can't believe Kim.
Like, she's genuinely pissed over

808
00:54:11,140 --> 00:54:12,900
that I can't.

809
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,540
like, rationalized being pissed about.

810
00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:19,240
Isn't the goal, like, to get more
coverage for your daughter's case?

811
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,700
I don't think she has, like, faith in me
at this point for whatever reason.

812
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:28,640
I don't know if she thinks that, like,
I'm going to, like, Hollywood with this.

813
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:34,920
I wonder if maybe she

814
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:41,800
has her own doubts and she's not even
aware of her own doubts about the case.

815
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,520
Do you see what I'm saying? Like, does
she maybe in the back of her mind in a

816
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:52,340
place that she can't even consciously,
like, go to, does she

817
00:54:52,340 --> 00:54:57,420
not want to know if it was an accident?

818
00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:10,300
Welcome back to Mile Marker 181. I'd
like to remind you that I'll be speaking

819
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:14,800
the Parkersburg Public Library. I'll
discuss Julia's case and citizen

820
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,160
and supply you with some Mile Marker 181
stickers.

821
00:55:21,940 --> 00:55:23,200
Thanks, everybody, for coming.

822
00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:26,180
My name's Emily Nestor, which you may
already know.

823
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,460
I'm your host of Mile Marker 181 about
the Julia Davis case.

824
00:55:32,259 --> 00:55:36,480
I've used this quote a lot lately. You
can hire me, but the one I'm working for

825
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,379
is the victim.

826
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:40,240
And that's kind of my philosophy on the
truth as well.

827
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,260
There are going to be things that I
cover that people aren't going to like

828
00:55:44,260 --> 00:55:48,640
the time this is done. You've got a
massive, massive rumor mill, and then

829
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:53,380
can't even begin to dig around and
figure out where something got started.

830
00:55:53,380 --> 00:55:55,620
just following, like, the breadcrumb
trail.

831
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,120
Somebody's got a question.

832
00:55:57,420 --> 00:55:58,420
Yeah.

833
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,860
A theory out there is Kim thought or you
thought that maybe Jaleah and Kristen

834
00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:07,160
get in her car, they're going to drive,
and then maybe Freddie Scott and Katie

835
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,440
follow her.

836
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:13,360
Kristen and Jaleah get in a fight, and
that's how they're able to so quickly

837
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,240
leave the interstate and get to
McDonald's. You know, they freak out,

838
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:19,420
they're like, okay, we've got to go
somewhere. Do you get into theories

839
00:56:19,420 --> 00:56:22,380
that, or is it just kind of like we
don't have anything?

840
00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:27,560
So you'll hear it in the next episode.

841
00:56:28,110 --> 00:56:29,110
That's all I'm going to say.

842
00:56:30,610 --> 00:56:35,050
But as far as the McDonald's footage, I
mean, now that I have those pictures

843
00:56:35,050 --> 00:56:38,170
from Julia's phone to reference of what
everybody was wearing, I'm going to go

844
00:56:38,170 --> 00:56:41,090
back through and look at every angle and
see if I can place the clothing.

845
00:56:41,170 --> 00:56:44,290
Because I want to say somebody had
stripes on, and that's going to be

846
00:56:44,290 --> 00:56:45,710
that picks up pretty easily in footage.

847
00:56:46,090 --> 00:56:50,070
What is your opinion that most of the
people that were considered a suspect

848
00:56:50,070 --> 00:56:50,729
no choice?

849
00:56:50,730 --> 00:56:54,290
The timing of it was really, I mean...
Damning? Right.

850
00:56:55,330 --> 00:56:56,890
Obviously, it is situational.

851
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:59,570
Sure. It comes down to being
situational.

852
00:56:59,850 --> 00:57:03,550
So when you lift up a rock and you look
deep enough down, you're going to find

853
00:57:03,550 --> 00:57:06,030
things in everybody's past that look
really bad.

854
00:57:06,770 --> 00:57:09,290
Some other people, yeah. I work with her
grandmother.

855
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:12,470
And at one time, Freddie Scott came to
work.

856
00:57:12,830 --> 00:57:18,170
And seeing Freddie Scott threat his
stuff in front of her grandmother, I

857
00:57:18,170 --> 00:57:21,250
there was speculation at one time that
they had her head out the window and was

858
00:57:21,250 --> 00:57:23,370
bumping her head on the guardrail. But
they had held her out the window and

859
00:57:23,370 --> 00:57:24,218
drugged her.

860
00:57:24,220 --> 00:57:27,480
And to hear her say, that's my baby,
that's my baby, how could somebody do

861
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:28,299
to my baby?

862
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:32,580
You know, it's just... It goes back to
the caring part.

863
00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:34,900
Yeah, right.

864
00:57:35,260 --> 00:57:38,980
As your supporters, is there anything
that we can do as a community that could

865
00:57:38,980 --> 00:57:40,620
help you or help this case?

866
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:42,600
That's a loaded question.

867
00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:44,940
Keep listening.

868
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,140
There's stuff that I haven't covered in
the podcast yet. There's a lot that

869
00:57:49,140 --> 00:57:49,919
hasn't been covered.

870
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,640
You do tend to piss people off when
you're pursuing the truth because not

871
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,180
everybody likes it. Everybody thinks
they want the truth, but rarely do they

872
00:57:57,180 --> 00:57:58,420
actually like it.

873
00:57:59,260 --> 00:58:00,500
You want to ask any questions?

874
00:58:01,140 --> 00:58:02,140
Well,

875
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,660
thanks everybody for coming. I do have
stickers here if anybody wants them.

876
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:16,230
I'm a big fan. You totally got me into
like every single true crime podcast.

877
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:17,350
Good, yes, yes.

878
00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:20,370
Yay. It's like my mini crime con.

879
00:58:21,790 --> 00:58:28,270
Also, I want to tell you that I admire
you so much. I really do. And

880
00:58:28,270 --> 00:58:35,130
I think that if there is any justice,

881
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:40,450
this is the justice she's going to get.
I mean, the fact.

882
00:58:40,860 --> 00:58:46,540
that now everybody knows that is the
justice that she's going to get. She

883
00:58:46,540 --> 00:58:50,060
not have had any had it not been for
you. Thanks. Thank you.

884
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:06,200
Since I started the podcast, I did up my

885
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:07,200
anxiety medication.

886
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,360
It's like aged me like a president.

887
00:59:10,380 --> 00:59:11,820
I mean, my hair is thinning.

888
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:17,020
People started to demand answers out of
me that, like, aren't answers that I'm

889
00:59:17,020 --> 00:59:20,720
obligated to give them, or, like, people
would demand facts.

890
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,580
You know, when I close my computer after
I put a new episode out, I'm relieved

891
00:59:25,580 --> 00:59:30,080
for about 12 hours, and then I go back
to being stressed about it. It's

892
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:35,840
definitely high stress, and it's a high
pressure to perform, but also do it with

893
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,480
respect towards Julia, with respect
towards her family.

894
00:59:40,060 --> 00:59:42,760
That's a really hard line to walk.

895
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:48,220
Because when you start these kind of
projects or cases, you're so, like, you

896
00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:52,140
the pavement so hard at the beginning
that you're not even processing, like,

897
00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:56,200
about the victim. You are, but it's
just, it's like a cape.

898
00:59:57,020 --> 01:00:00,000
You can't think about it too hard. But I
think the longer that you're in it, the

899
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,720
more you see the humanity in the person
and the harder it becomes to not care

900
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,080
and to detach completely.

901
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:07,800
So I've got to consider that.

902
01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:19,000
Look around you.

903
01:00:21,180 --> 01:00:27,180
Look down the bar from you at the faces
that you see.

904
01:00:27,380 --> 01:00:34,320
Are you sure this is where you want

905
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:35,198
to be?

906
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,840
I think it's really important that we
talk about Julia as a human being, not

907
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,340
just as a victim. These are your
friends, but are they real friends?

908
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,580
Do they love you?

909
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:47,660
As much as me.

910
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:54,840
Are you sure this is where you want to
be?

911
01:00:55,300 --> 01:00:58,840
She was a sister, a daughter, a
granddaughter, a friend.

912
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:06,100
You seem in such a hurry to lead this
kind

913
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:07,100
of life.

914
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:13,920
And you've caused so many pain and
misery.

915
01:01:15,290 --> 01:01:17,350
She's not just a character somebody made
up.

916
01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:24,010
But look around you and take a good look
at all the local

917
01:01:24,010 --> 01:01:25,730
used -to -bes.

918
01:01:26,490 --> 01:01:32,550
And are you sure that this is where you
want to be?

919
01:01:39,850 --> 01:01:43,070
I think a lot of what people
misunderstand about what I was trying to

920
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:45,470
like, they think that I was in this to,
like, exploit Kim.

921
01:01:46,030 --> 01:01:51,690
I really had, like, these high hopes,
like these Nancy Drew hopes of coming in

922
01:01:51,690 --> 01:01:53,050
and being the person to fix this.

923
01:01:56,490 --> 01:01:57,810
Did you talk to Freddie Scott?

924
01:01:59,710 --> 01:02:01,270
No, I did not talk to Freddie Scott.

925
01:02:01,730 --> 01:02:03,190
Did you talk to Katie Nelson?

926
01:02:03,570 --> 01:02:06,210
I reached out to Katie Nelson, but I
have not talked to Katie Nelson.

927
01:02:07,070 --> 01:02:08,350
Did you talk to Kristen Beckle?

928
01:02:09,799 --> 01:02:12,160
I reached out to her some back to her,
but I did not talk to her.

929
01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:13,460
Not directly.

930
01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:29,560
When we first connected and started
bonding earlier this year, I thought you

931
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,840
were primed to really do something
significant.

932
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,100
And I was excited for you. I mean, I saw
you at CrimeCon, and you were really

933
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:37,580
good on camera. And then just slowly, I
just saw you.

934
01:02:38,420 --> 01:02:42,040
sabotaging it with poor choices, I think
there's just a lot of information that

935
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:43,040
you haven't shared.

936
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:46,480
There's not a lot from this year that I
feel great about.

937
01:02:47,900 --> 01:02:49,720
And it's not my typical behavior either.

938
01:02:50,980 --> 01:02:54,540
It just sucks that it, you know what I
mean? Like along with the self

939
01:02:54,540 --> 01:02:58,860
of like the podcast and everything, you
have to also push yourself like a

940
01:02:58,860 --> 01:02:59,860
product in a way.

941
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,320
You know, especially when you believe
it's a murder and you're trying to push

942
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,420
for that justice and you want that crowd
behind you, you want that support, like

943
01:03:07,420 --> 01:03:12,580
the latter your voice is, you know, if
there was an injustice here, if she was

944
01:03:12,580 --> 01:03:16,860
murdered, that that's much more powerful
to go into that fight with people

945
01:03:16,860 --> 01:03:17,860
behind you.

946
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,100
Well, I think that's the usefulness of
sort of like media.

947
01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:22,400
Yeah, for sure.

948
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,160
put the spotlight on cases that are
being neglected. Yeah. The central

949
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,720
narrative. And that's what I thought
this was. The central narrative of the

950
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,720
private citizen either working with or
against law enforcement, the

951
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,620
establishment. That's the compelling
narrative that even though it's like

952
01:03:36,620 --> 01:03:42,260
of been done to death, it's still
relevant and fresh.

953
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,040
Yeah. Well, you still have the mile
marker 181 platform. Yeah, no, and it

954
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,540
And you really should use that to
address all of this. Oh, that's the

955
01:03:49,620 --> 01:03:50,620
That's been the plan.

956
01:03:55,020 --> 01:03:56,260
So we didn't make it all that.

957
01:03:56,740 --> 01:04:01,940
I mean, you can give me a fucking
diagnosis of the situation because I'm

958
01:04:01,940 --> 01:04:05,340
and I can't fucking see it anymore when
you're in it.

959
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,680
I mean, like, I don't, I literally,
after that, I don't even know if I'm a

960
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:13,680
person anymore.

961
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:18,820
That's how that made me.

962
01:04:25,070 --> 01:04:26,710
It's gonna happen to me when this comes
out.

963
01:04:47,210 --> 01:04:49,290
Hey, how are you? Good, how are you? I'm
Chris.

964
01:04:49,660 --> 01:04:50,700
Hi, Kristen. I'm like a filmmaker.

965
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,580
I haven't listened to that Mile Marker
181 podcast.

966
01:04:53,980 --> 01:04:57,580
So, like, your name has, like, been
associated with it the whole time. And

967
01:04:57,580 --> 01:05:00,700
like, I don't know. Like, I've heard a
couple of the podcasts, and I feel like

968
01:05:00,700 --> 01:05:03,320
she tries to kind of, like, make me love
that. And that's why I stopped

969
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,580
listening, because I'm like, it just
makes me upset.

970
01:05:05,780 --> 01:05:06,960
We have nothing to do with it.

971
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,540
And yet she keeps, like, persisting,
like, it was Kristen, it was Katie and

972
01:05:11,540 --> 01:05:13,160
Freddie. And, yeah, it's sad.

973
01:05:20,780 --> 01:05:21,780
My name is Frederick Scott.

974
01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:23,320
I'm from Parkersburg, West Virginia.

975
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,000
I've never spoken to him about it ever,
not once, to nobody.

976
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:35,100
I am the real Katie Nelson, the one
that's in the articles or whatever.

977
01:05:35,300 --> 01:05:36,920
Is that you? Yeah, that's me.

978
01:05:37,260 --> 01:05:38,260
Did you murder Julia?

979
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:39,360
I didn't murder Julia.

980
01:05:39,580 --> 01:05:44,600
Nobody murdered Julia, especially not
Kristen Bechtold. Kristen Bechtold did

981
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:45,620
murder Julia Davis.

982
01:05:46,770 --> 01:05:52,590
freddie scott did not murder julia davis
nobody murdered julia whenever i heard

983
01:05:52,590 --> 01:05:58,490
that emily made a podcast um i was like
i'm not listening to that i don't want

984
01:05:58,490 --> 01:06:03,830
to listen to that because it's all shit
you know i was like oh my god these

985
01:06:03,830 --> 01:06:07,770
idiots are all sharing this idiot's
podcast who is this girl and what is she

986
01:06:07,770 --> 01:06:13,970
doing shut up you know like why i just
met julia that night

987
01:06:13,970 --> 01:06:15,370
so we were in the bar

988
01:06:16,110 --> 01:06:18,510
And then Julia approached me and said
she was ready to leave.

989
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:23,950
So I texted Kirsten. I said, your
friend's ready to go.

990
01:06:24,790 --> 01:06:25,830
So we leave there.

991
01:06:26,270 --> 01:06:28,910
We get in an argument. Like, she's
trying to get her keys. Because I'm

992
01:06:28,970 --> 01:06:30,450
dude, you're not fucking driving. You're
wasted.

993
01:06:30,690 --> 01:06:33,930
And she's, like, crying and saying I'm a
fucking bitch or whatever. So anyway,

994
01:06:34,090 --> 01:06:37,390
it gets to the point where she's, like,
trying to fight me. And I'm like, dude,

995
01:06:37,470 --> 01:06:38,470
just take your fucking keys.

996
01:06:39,150 --> 01:06:40,150
And then what?

997
01:06:40,490 --> 01:06:41,490
Julia got out.

998
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:42,670
I just drove off.

999
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,760
What's the last image you remember of
seeing her?

1000
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,220
Her just walking towards her car.

1001
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:52,500
I heard that I hit her with my car, that
I stole my car the next day. I heard

1002
01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:55,140
that I picked Kristen up after it
happened.

1003
01:06:55,660 --> 01:06:56,960
What did you hear about Kristen?

1004
01:06:57,660 --> 01:07:01,460
Um, just that she, like, threw out of
her car, even though she didn't.

1005
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:06,640
They're like, there's no way that you
can be driving and go through your

1006
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,720
passenger side window. Of course,
there's a way that that can happen if

1007
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,660
like think about it for a second instead
of think that everyone else is like

1008
01:07:14,660 --> 01:07:19,300
murderers. Like, don't you think that
maybe the experts know what they're

1009
01:07:19,300 --> 01:07:20,118
talking about?

1010
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:21,760
And maybe you don't.

1011
01:07:22,940 --> 01:07:25,360
Sally and your fucking double Y.

1012
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:28,040
They try and say that we were like.

1013
01:07:28,510 --> 01:07:31,490
Tried to kill her. We were jealous of
her. All this crazy stuff. And the day

1014
01:07:31,490 --> 01:07:34,330
after this happened, her mom started
saying that we did it.

1015
01:07:34,670 --> 01:07:38,450
And I'm like, what the fuck? Like, I
literally came home and did nothing.

1016
01:07:38,790 --> 01:07:42,950
It's crazy. I mean, I've had death
threats coming from a family that has

1017
01:07:43,070 --> 01:07:44,390
She wants to blame everything on me.

1018
01:07:44,590 --> 01:07:46,850
It just sucks. Like, this whole thing
fucking sucks.

1019
01:07:47,110 --> 01:07:49,330
And I just, like, I literally just
wanted to go away.

1020
01:07:49,770 --> 01:07:51,750
To be honest with you, this is ruining
my life.

1021
01:07:54,050 --> 01:07:56,650
At first, I liked the Justice for Julia
page.

1022
01:07:57,150 --> 01:07:58,950
But then I'm like... Wait a second.

1023
01:08:00,090 --> 01:08:01,830
What are you guys talking about?

1024
01:08:02,210 --> 01:08:07,870
Justice for, like, I mean, you're trying
to, mm -hmm.

1025
01:08:08,570 --> 01:08:10,390
So I think I unliked it.

1026
01:08:10,970 --> 01:08:13,650
You know? I was like, mm, like.

1027
01:08:15,070 --> 01:08:17,649
Why do you think people believe in
conspiracy theories?

1028
01:08:18,210 --> 01:08:19,270
They love drama.

1029
01:08:19,490 --> 01:08:23,410
They love, like, having something to
talk about. Like, they feel like they're

1030
01:08:23,410 --> 01:08:27,170
part of something. I know 100 % for a
fact that Kim Davis knows that we didn't

1031
01:08:27,170 --> 01:08:28,170
do anything wrong.

1032
01:08:29,790 --> 01:08:32,910
How? Because one, like, science backs us
up.

1033
01:08:33,790 --> 01:08:34,790
You know what I mean?

1034
01:08:35,109 --> 01:08:36,109
Timing backs us up.

1035
01:08:36,510 --> 01:08:39,870
Like, nothing we could have done would
have led to that, nothing at all.

1036
01:08:41,130 --> 01:08:43,109
And the thing is, like, she knows she's
making up all these lies.

1037
01:08:43,390 --> 01:08:46,290
So it's like, I don't know what her real
objective is with this, like, at all.

1038
01:08:46,770 --> 01:08:48,090
Do you think it comes from grief?

1039
01:08:48,970 --> 01:08:51,890
I mean, losing a kid, you know, would
make you a little crazy.

1040
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,479
But, like, what she's doing now is,
like, over -the -top crazy. Like, trying

1041
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:00,200
like, damage people's whole lives,
careers. Like, it doesn't make any sense

1042
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,540
me at all. Like, not even a little bit.

1043
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:07,660
I met Julia's grandfather shortly after
it happened, talked to him, told him

1044
01:09:07,660 --> 01:09:08,459
what really happened.

1045
01:09:08,460 --> 01:09:09,779
He didn't believe me, called me a liar
and stuff.

1046
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:14,540
Then he said, if I do think you're lying
to me, I'm coming back to my 44 or

1047
01:09:14,540 --> 01:09:17,000
something like that. And I was like,
okay, good talk.

1048
01:09:17,580 --> 01:09:21,080
Julia's grandpa came to my house, and I
just started freaking the fuck out. I

1049
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:21,849
was like...

1050
01:09:21,850 --> 01:09:28,689
shaking i was like um no i said get the
cops here like who

1051
01:09:28,689 --> 01:09:33,069
knows because people had been saying
crazy stuff like i'm gonna kill you and

1052
01:09:33,069 --> 01:09:37,490
know what you did you know and then
literally the cops come and they're like

1053
01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:44,470
well he has a gun and i'm like well
that's scary you know because

1054
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:47,990
you didn't come to the girl's house that
you think was involved in your

1055
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:51,260
granddaughter's death With a gun?

1056
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,620
Just to, like, shoot the shit, you know?

1057
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:58,520
Maybe we should all let her rest.

1058
01:09:59,820 --> 01:10:00,820
Shit.

1059
01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:22,480
All right, let's do this.

1060
01:10:23,620 --> 01:10:24,740
I don't want to be out here.

1061
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,640
This is Roger.

1062
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:30,700
Hi, how are you? Good, how are you?

1063
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:31,920
This is Emily.

1064
01:10:32,140 --> 01:10:33,500
Is this Emily? This is Emily.

1065
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:34,760
Hey, how's it going?

1066
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:35,980
You come out here every night?

1067
01:10:36,220 --> 01:10:38,640
No, not every night. But every once in a
while? Yeah, oh yeah.

1068
01:10:39,340 --> 01:10:40,340
Well,

1069
01:10:41,900 --> 01:10:43,520
I know something happened to Julia.

1070
01:10:44,140 --> 01:10:46,100
Kristen Beck told her Julia's keychain.

1071
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,160
And how do you know that she didn't kill
other people? You know, a serial

1072
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,940
killer, that's what they do. They take
people's belongings or not.

1073
01:10:53,580 --> 01:10:54,680
Yeah. Right.

1074
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:56,360
Yeah, it bothered me.

1075
01:11:04,820 --> 01:11:05,820
You okay?

1076
01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:07,700
No, I'm not okay. No one's out.

1077
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:08,938
Everything's okay.

1078
01:11:08,940 --> 01:11:12,980
For me, I want to sit there with fucking
Roger and look him in the eye like I

1079
01:11:12,980 --> 01:11:15,660
believe what he's fucking saying. I
wanted to vomit.

1080
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,600
I'm not ready to confront them with my
truth about it yet.

1081
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:25,280
So it was really, really hard to be
around him just now. And I'm trying to

1082
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:29,500
out content about something that I no
longer believe. This has fucking given

1083
01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:30,500
problems.

1084
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:32,460
I'm done. I'm just done.

1085
01:11:33,300 --> 01:11:34,279
I understand.

1086
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:35,280
Don't care. I'm done.

1087
01:11:58,190 --> 01:12:03,850
As consumers of true crime, we listen,
watch, or read about the most horrific

1088
01:12:03,850 --> 01:12:06,110
things that humanity endures.

1089
01:12:07,370 --> 01:12:12,610
We are all removed from the direct
impact, and then we turn off the lights

1090
01:12:12,610 --> 01:12:13,850
we go to bed every night.

1091
01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:20,430
And I understand for many of you this is
passive listening. This is even

1092
01:12:20,430 --> 01:12:21,430
entertainment.

1093
01:12:25,740 --> 01:12:28,960
In the past few months, I've spent hours
staring at a blank screen, trying to

1094
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:30,760
type out words before they left my
brain.

1095
01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:34,240
Writing and creating a podcast that
revolves around a traumatic and

1096
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:38,220
death comes with its own challenges, and
the biggest one I've found is just

1097
01:12:38,220 --> 01:12:39,220
finding the right words.

1098
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:44,660
I started this podcast based on a
personal need to find the answers about

1099
01:12:44,660 --> 01:12:45,960
really happened to Julia Davis.

1100
01:12:47,540 --> 01:12:51,560
I genuinely feel like telling the truth
is sometimes the absolute hardest thing

1101
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:52,560
you will do.

1102
01:12:53,130 --> 01:12:57,010
The raw audio I'm going to share with
you now was recorded a few days ago on

1103
01:12:57,010 --> 01:12:58,010
phone.

1104
01:13:00,590 --> 01:13:06,070
I feel like there's no way to prepare
for telling people the worst thing that

1105
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:07,070
they ever hear.

1106
01:13:07,370 --> 01:13:12,690
But as I'm learning into crime,
sometimes things aren't what they

1107
01:13:15,070 --> 01:13:19,970
What happened to Julia was a horrible,
horrible, tragic accident.

1108
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:22,720
It was not murder.

1109
01:13:27,700 --> 01:13:32,580
A lot of people have issues with law
enforcement. And people, when they look

1110
01:13:32,580 --> 01:13:37,040
Julia, I think that they see their loved
ones that have maybe not had justice.

1111
01:13:37,140 --> 01:13:40,780
And so people use Julia like a projector
screen.

1112
01:13:42,100 --> 01:13:46,420
And so I can understand why there is
this community that supports Kim.

1113
01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:51,080
Because she lost someone that she loved
more than anything in life.

1114
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:57,880
But there's a difference between
supporting someone and allowing for

1115
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:03,960
information to be put out and people's
names to be run through the mud.

1116
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:08,500
And I'm talking about the Davis family
and myself as well.

1117
01:14:12,660 --> 01:14:19,420
Hopefully... Somebody out there who has
been hurt by what happened to Julia can

1118
01:14:19,420 --> 01:14:22,360
hear this and find some peace in it.

1119
01:14:31,220 --> 01:14:32,620
It had to be done, right?

1120
01:14:34,380 --> 01:14:35,520
Somebody had to say it.

1121
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,200
A listener note, this story contains
violent content and language. Hello,

1122
01:14:58,260 --> 01:15:02,140
friends, and welcome back to the show.
Hello, and welcome to Crime Lore, the

1123
01:15:02,140 --> 01:15:04,040
podcast. Welcome to fact and suspicion.

1124
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:08,140
This is Obsessed with Murder. And we're
here to bring these dead stories back to

1125
01:15:08,140 --> 01:15:11,960
life. Today we are discussing a case
that is not typical for us. You know,

1126
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:15,300
one's a beauty. I go back and forth
trying to decide if this is a mysterious

1127
01:15:15,300 --> 01:15:16,640
death or...

1128
01:15:17,020 --> 01:15:21,080
A full -blown conspiracy. I went down a
dark rabbit hole after I got a random

1129
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,960
email from a stranger. She definitely
had something going on. It was a

1130
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:24,960
suspicious death.

1131
01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:28,400
Some people just want answers. How,
then, do we unravel fact from fiction? I

1132
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,660
can't believe more people aren't talking
about this. It's all really sad, but

1133
01:15:31,660 --> 01:15:32,660
what a story.

1134
01:15:32,860 --> 01:15:37,580
In my personal opinion, it was
definitely murder. Murder. Murder.

1135
01:15:37,580 --> 01:15:40,560
case confirms stress? You never really
know.

1136
01:15:40,780 --> 01:15:44,780
There really is room for interpretation
of the facts.